Conversation log 2020-06-08-2
An experiment to see what happens when reading is done while interacting with a bot
When you think a bot's question is pertinent, if you read on and find something different, you're hesitant to ignore the question and write about it.
If a question seems appropriate but doesn't have an immediate answer, it's not a useful question at this point and should be ignored.
nishio.iconLet's talk.
nisbot.iconWhat would you like to see happen in this conversation?
nishio.iconToday we're going to experiment with what happens when you do your reading while interacting with a bot.
nisbot.iconWhat type of bot is that bot?
nishio.iconI was wondering if I could think better during the reading because he listens and asks questions. On the other hand, it is possible that the reading will not progress at all. I ignore questions that are not interesting.
nisbot.iconIs there anything else about that reading?
nishio.iconSocial Physics: The New Science of How Good Ideas Spread
nisbot.iconIs there anything else about its social physics?
nishio.icon [The table of contents says that it is a new framework for understanding the evolution of society with big data.
nisbot.iconIs there anything else you can tell us about that call?
nishio.icon(Ignore)
Part 1, Social Physics, consists of three parts: "Exploration: How to discover good ideas and lead to good decisions," "Flow of ideas: What underlies the collective ground," and "Engagement: Why we can work together."
nisbot.iconIs there anything else about its social physics?
nishio.icon(go read it)
It's a quantitative social science that describes the mathematical relationships between the flow of information and ideas and people's behavior.
nisbot.iconWhat type of relationship is that relationship?
nishio.iconFor example, by deliberately slowing down the speed at which information is transmitted, it can be controlled so that a one-size-fits-all situation is less likely to occur.
nisbot.iconWhat is it that you value?
nishio.iconI'm still trying to decide if the book is worth it. I think it's true that when you have a lot of people, statistically there is some kind of pattern, but how outlier people behave may have a big impact on the results, and if that is not controlled for, it disappears from the experimental results, but actually, if you change the behavior there and divide the experiment into two groups. There might be a noticeable difference.
nisbot.iconIs there anything else you can tell us about the pattern?
nishio.iconWe've observed that increasing the speed of information distribution causes echo chambers that reduce performance, that's one pattern. p47
nisbot.iconWhat type of pattern is it?
nishio.icon(This usage has the problem that when you think the bot's question is an appropriate question, if you read on and find something different, you're hesitant to ignore the question and write about it. I could write it as a comment, but that would not be included in the parsed data, which would be inappropriate.)
(If the question seems appropriate but is not answered immediately, it is not a useful question at this time and should be ignored.)
Apparently the most important concepts in social physics are "idea flow" and "social learning."
nisbot.iconHow do you know its social physics?
nishio.iconEngagement means social learning that occurs primarily within groups of peers. It leads to the formation of behavioral norms and the social pressure to enforce them.
Like social pressure to get ideas flowing faster. p34
nisbot.iconIs there anything else about that engagement?
nishio.iconBell Starr Research, Starr has an interactive relationship with experts in advance and can get a quick and informative response
nisbot.iconWhat type of star is that star?
nishio.iconA researcher with outstanding performance.
nisbot.iconIs there anything else you can tell us about its performance?
nishio.iconWhen one lacks personal information about oneself, one becomes insecure and relies on social information, which is the confidence-building effect of social learning. We learn by watching what others do. However, this can lead to groupthink and other harmful effects.
nisbot.iconWhat type of behavior is this?
nishio.iconWhen a feedback loop is created within a social network, one sees similar ideas over and over again that are slightly different. As a result, they become overly confident and believe in the idea. Confidence amplification effect due to echo chambers.
nisbot.iconIs there anything else you can tell us about the results?
nishio.iconInterventions that allow isolated people to interact more with others, or allow people who are overly exposed to certain people to interact with new people, can change the structure of the network.
nisbot.iconIs there anything else you can tell us about that other person?
nishio.iconIf someone is behaving in a way that has nothing to do with social learning, they are likely counteracting the effects of social learning from their unique experiences. They could be both wise and weird. Common opinion among them is useful.
nisbot.iconWhat type of impact is that impact?
nishio.iconHomogenizing influences on ideas that are repeated in society
nisbot.iconIs there anything else you can tell us about its impact?
nishio.iconUndermines diversity of ideas
nisbot.iconWhat else can you tell us about its diversity?
nishio.iconWhen the speed of the flow of ideas is appropriate, members of the group will be able to make better decisions than if they act in isolation. When habits are shared, the community begins to develop a collective intelligence, which surpasses the intelligence of individual members.
nisbot.iconWhat kind of intelligence is that intelligence?
nishio.iconIdeas flow more easily when you see them in action than when you hear about them.
nisbot.iconIs there anything else you can tell us about that behavior?
nishio.iconThis seems to have something to do with communalization.
nisbot.iconI was wondering if I could think better during the reading because he listens and asks questions. On the other hand, it is possible that the reading will not progress at all. I ignore questions that are not interesting.
How do you know this reading?
nishio.icon"After checking the mathematical model of learning in complex environments, we conclude that the best learning strategy is 90% exploration and 10% should be spent on individual experimentation and reflection." eh, I'm not sure I agree with this conclusion without checking the paper.
nisbot.iconIs there anything else you can tell us about that quest?
nishio.icon(Reference 15 in Chapter 3)
p82 Starr encouraged everyone on the team to be a party to the outcome, rather than thinking of teamwork as fulfilling one's role within the team
nisbot.iconWhat else can you tell us about that teamwork?
nishio.iconEngagement = a state of repeated collaboration, which promotes a cooperative attitude worthy of trust.
nisbot.iconHow do you know its engagement?
nishio.iconCan be created by providing social-type incentives.
nisbot.iconWhat type of social type incentive is that social type incentive?
nishio.iconFor example, when it comes to fitness, you don't give incentives to the target individual for exercising, you give incentives to people who are socially connected to the target when that target exercises, and the act of socially encouraging people to exercise is promoted when you encourage them to exercise, too. It's not given, it's given when the exercise actually takes place.
nisbot.iconIs there anything else you can tell us about the person?
nishio.iconp99 Engagement requires interaction, cooperation, and building trust
nisbot.iconWhat type of engagement is that engagement?
nishio.iconChapter 5: Collective Intelligence, How Collective Intelligence Emerges from Patterns of Exchange
nisbot.iconHow do you know what the pattern is?
nishio.iconIt was most helpful that the participants in the conversation had equal say.
nisbot.iconWhat is the relationship between reading and engagement?
nishio.iconThe next most important factor was the social intelligence of the members and their ability to read the social signals of their opponents.
nisbot.iconWhat else can you tell us about its intelligence?
nishio.iconOh, talk about patterns of idea flow. p111
Number of ideas
Density of interaction: "likes" and "what? in response to a comment.
Diversity of ideas
nisbot.iconWhere is the pattern?
nishio.iconAre number and diversity two different things?
nisbot.iconWhere is this diversity?
nishio.iconIdeas that could simply be implemented, a display where if one person is talking too much in a meeting, the circle moves to that side of the room.
nisbot.iconWhat type of person is he/she?
nishio.iconp139 How to evaluate diversity of ideas
nisbot.iconWhat type of diversity is that?
nishio.icontorso-type solutions, predicting what others will say, and if the prediction is correct, ignoring it because it is already common knowledge.
nisbot.iconWhat is the relationship between the person and the engagement?
nishio.iconSage-type solutions, people who can predict the behavior of others but behave differently themselves; predictability is evidence of a good understanding of the common understanding, but if they behave differently, they have some reason (e.g., information that others do not know).
nisbot.iconHow do you know what you are doing?
nishio.iconThird, people who often hold similar opinions are not considered independent.
nisbot.iconWhat is the relationship between engagement and action?
nishio.iconcomputer-assisted social intelligence
nisbot.iconIs engagement the same as action? Is it different?
nishio.iconPractical charismatic, charismatic intermediaries are interested in the flow of ideas, not just diplomatic, engaging through short conversations with many people and bringing equality to the expression machine
nisbot.iconWhere is that engagement?
nishio.iconp143
nisbot.iconWhat happens to behavior during engagement?
nishio.iconCharismatic intermediaries can be created through training, asking questions and gathering ideas, communicating ideas to others and exchanging
nisbot.iconHow do you know the person?
nishio.iconCase study of the Red Balloon Challenge, a social incentive to not only attract many people but also to form a functioning organization and to reward referrals.
nisbot.iconWhere does the person come from?
nishio.iconCrowdsourcing would have brought people together, but would not have resulted in a collaborative organization
nisbot.iconIs the person the same as the engagement? Is it different?
nishio.iconMarket-based thinking, a model that incentivizes uniformed employees to work, overlooks networks among employees, and does not create opportunities to learn from each other because engagement is non-existent.
(It's taken me 2.5 hours to read 162 pages so far.)
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